Millennium Crew HQ - Discussion Board April 2000

Archived Messages - April 2000

Hi -- I was on vacation when I got the e-mail saying that I made the top 2000 photos. It was very exciting to think that my photo may be chosen. It was very hard to select the best 3 photos I took that day. The judges deserve a lot of credit to beable to select the best ones for the book. I would like to know why they decided not to tell us which photo was chosen. I was expecting more photos to be on the web site. One photo a week doesn't seem like enough.
Michelle Sparr <MKS@Cheerful.com>
Los Angeles, CA, USA - Saturday, April 01, 2000 at 06:50:02 (EST)

I am glad to see professional photographers such as Jim and Pat take an active part in this discussion list. Jim painted a pretty hardcore picture of what making a living as a photographer can be like but I like to put it in perspective. I’ve not worked as a photographer, but I have had my own business in the past and what Jim depicts as a freelance can be said for just about any business you would start on your own. If your not the self-starter type that could make it on your own in something else, then your love of photography isn’t going to magically make it work. However, if you are a go-getter with the nerve and fortitude to standalone and make it work, then forage ahead. Enjoy the photography, but treat it like a business from the start. Jim, I’d like to talk to you about film scanners. I have a Polaroid SprintScan 4000 that works like a dream.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 01, 2000 at 13:44:33 (EST)

John....... I have one of those Canon Scan 2710.....at work I have a LS2000. The newspaper went cheap on me and purchased one of those crappy Coolscans. But after constant complaining as the scanner was taking about 3 mins to scan a b & w or longer for color...it just got slower and slower. They finally put up the money and got one of thos Nikon Coolscan 2000. Only takes about 45 seconds for a color scan..that's pretty fast. My main gripe was that I scan five to 10 images or more a day.....sooner or later the low end scanners are going to wear out, scan slower and put out inferior scans. Need something heavy duty that can take the constant scans and still work. Email me.......... Jim Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA. USA - Saturday, April 01, 2000 at 15:54:46 (EST)

I have a few questions a little off-topic.......... Has anyone ever done any work with pinhole cameras? I am taking a pinhole photography class at the moment and am interested in any comments and/or advice. Is anybody into box cameras? I have recently attained an Ansco B-2 Cadet from a friend. Any info would be very appreciated. Also, can anyone suggest job oppurtunities for a photography student in Atl
Sara <vixen6847@hotmail.com>
Atlanta, USA - Saturday, April 01, 2000 at 23:36:30 (EST)

Last photography fine arts class I took was in Monterey back in 75'. It was taught by Ansel Adams. Once at a field trip at Point Lobos, he pointed to me and said......"Look someone with a sub miniture camera...everyone else was shooting with 4x5's, 8x10's and 21/4 cameras. I had the only 35mm........ I replied, "I'm taking pictures of all these fools gathered around knotholes in a tree." "There's humor here....taking pictures of cameramen taking pictures of knotholes and door knobs." He and I became friends.......after that day he didn't critize me for using a 35mm...said something about me going far in life. I'm still traveling on the plane of film. We used to watch the sunset over Carmel Bay and drink wine, eat cheese and talk photography. What a master he was!!!!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Sunday, April 02, 2000 at 20:21:15 (EDT)

Alright Jim, you wouldn’t want to be accused of being a name dropper would you?
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, U.S.A. - Sunday, April 02, 2000 at 22:21:12 (EDT)

Ohhhhhhhhhh John....I could drop many more if you'd like to hear and care to know who my paths have crossed and tipped a beer or two with. But I won't. I was just giving my thoughts on those who like to shoot knotholes and doorknobs with something bigger than a 35mm. cheerssssssssss! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
port Orchard, USA - Sunday, April 02, 2000 at 22:28:14 (EDT)

UPDATE: In answer to the questions that have been posted recently (Michelle and 'Attila'), time for a quick update on progress. Please note that this information has all been posted on the news page at one point or another, but I appreciate not everyone may have seen it. At present we do not need anything from the photographers. Our original plan was to request higher quality materials (negs/slides/large digital file etc.) along with a contract during the month of March, based on a shortlist of photos that were going forward for consideration in the book. Since our publisher has made faster progress than we anticipated with their selection, we are now planning to do this based on a definitive FINAL list of book photos expected within 10-12 days. This way, less people have to go to any trouble. As far as the 2000 time capsule photos are concerned, since these will ultimately be going up on the web, the quality of the submitted entries will in almost all cases be sufficient. The documentation we already have from you (Project Entry Form) is also sufficient. On a related note, for those interested in which of their photos made the time capsule, we will send out an e-mail with that information as soon as we have finished typing photo descriptions (captions) into our database. We are doing this as fast as we can but it is complicated by the fact that the photos are currently in three different locations (our offices, the book design firm and the publishers). Please have patience! Also in answer to Michelle's question, we can only put up one photo per week prior to the launch of the book as per an agreement with our publishers.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project Offices, London - Monday, April 03, 2000 at 07:35:54 (EDT)

Just kidding Jim. I’m just being jealous.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Monday, April 03, 2000 at 08:05:35 (EDT)

Heyyyyyyyyy. That's okay. In this line of business I've met alot of gonna be's, has been's and never will be's. I just thought it was a pretty cute story. Did I ever tell you the one about? I should write a book on of these days. And title it, "You should have been here five minutes ago." Geeeeez, I've gotta get to work. Take care folks.........I'll post an epic about shooting for contest later. IT's really, really good and you don't want to miss this one. Take care and everyone have a nice day where ever you are. Remember........You have good days and better days! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA, USA - Monday, April 03, 2000 at 10:19:34 (EDT)

Jim, Have you ever worked with or taken a class from Bruce Barnbaum ( Black & White Photo Manipulation in the Lab)? Dianne
Dianne Humble <countrydreams@execu.net>
Middleton,Idaho, u.s.a. - Monday, April 03, 2000 at 23:22:02 (EDT)

First, to Alx: God love ya. You're typing in all those captions...(I've done my share of transcribing things -- actors' bios for programs -- and can relate.) If I have a quick addition to a caption (I couldn't remember someone's name when I wrote the caption, but now I have his release and know his name) shall I e-mail you? Second, on the event and photography -- I was fairly philosophical about the whole thing. I forget exactly when I knew about it, but at the time I was anticipating a trip to Boston with friends, because a friend of mine was going to be working on something for Boston's "First Night" celebration. (I think he was going to be doing something involving a maze made of ice.) So I signed up. However, by the time New Years' arrived, the ice maze had fallen through and all my other friends were hiding. (One friend lives near Times Square, and he said his New Years' plans were, "Order in a pizza and barricade the door.") So I figured that I'd just wander around and take photos of things that looked interesting. I tried getting to Times Square at about 4 p.m., figuring, "Oh, who's going to be there?"...I couldn't get within five blocks of the place. I ended up taking a couple shots of street vendors hawking funny hats and left. However, I'd also heard about a road race the New York Road Runner's association holds ever New Year's Eve -- it's just a 5-K fun run that starts at the stroke of midnight. But runners are encouraged to run in costume. Which ended up being a profoundly silly way to spend New Year's Eve -- watching hordes of people in a race through Central Park, all of them dressed up as George Washington, Batman and Robin, Champagne glasses, Bill Clinton, genies, mice, sandwiches...there was even a crowd of about 30 people who constructed a model of a bridge out of cardboard and all ran in formation. ...I crashed on the couch of my friend near Times Square, got up at about 7 a.m. to go get some photos of the cleanup; I staggered over, took about three shots of guys clearing away the confetti with snowblowers, and went back to sleep. ...I have a couple friends to thank for helping me sort through 4 rolls of film worth of pictures to narrow them all down to three choices; we ended up with a couple from the road race, a street scene from the cleanup, and a very lucky shot of a street vendor -- I didn't notice until after I got the picture back that he had been sitting under a sign reading, "Going out of business." At the end of the day, I had fun and I did something on New Year's Eve instead of sitting around and watching TV, and ultimately that was what I was after.
Kim Wadsworth <nyge@pipeline.com>
New York City, USA - Tuesday, April 04, 2000 at 10:21:05 (EDT)

Is contest important? It depends on whom you ask. If you ask photojournalist/photographer who clean up every year at the nationally photo contest, they might say, "Yes, contests are important." If you ask a photojournalist who rarely enters any contests, the answer might be, "No, they are only important to those who enter and do well." Over the years I've come to realize Th everybody enters contests for different reasons. Some enter for pure competition because they want to see how they measure up against their peers both locally and nationally. And some enter in hopes of receiving positive feedback from other photographers they respect. Finally, another reason to enter is off the incentives. Let's be honest - it's human nature. Incentives are what motivate most people to perform at their highest level. It doesn't matter why type of job you do; monetary incentives, in particular, sure can make your job fun and worthwhile. But for a photographer/photojournalist there is no better incentive than receiving recognition from your peers. When you don't win…contest can be rough at times, especially if you don't win. I've had conservations with people who ask me why their entry didn't place. I normally tell them even though their entry was good at regional level; however, the pool of talent at the national/international level is much bigger. Contests are great learning tools. Personally, I've used contest to improve my own work, by looking at some photo projects by some of the photojournalists who are working at larger papers throughout the country. Viewing their work gives me story ideas that I adapt locally those affects my small community of Port Orchard, Washington. There's also the motivation factor…. When I walk out the door to shoot a story, I'm not thinking that it's going to win me an award. I'm thinking about the best way for the reporter and me to tell the story in pictures and words. What will make people at home take notice when they read through the paper? I believe the biggest compliment or a reward comes for a photographer can receive from a reader. If they appreciate our work enough to call, write or stop in for a visit, that's reward enough for me. It the photos happen to win an award, then that's just the icing on the cake. Remember that contests are great, but the greatest reward should be the pride you take in your work and challenge yourself to do your best daily.
Jim Bryant <Phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA. USA - Tuesday, April 04, 2000 at 12:35:43 (EDT)

Hi Kim, Read your message. Sounds like you had a good New Year's Eve despite your change in plans. If you do come to Boston, please e-mail me. We are about 1 hour from Boston. In fact we are planning to photograph at the Millennium Tall Ships Event which takes place in July. Should be a good time. Take care. Pat
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Tuesday, April 04, 2000 at 12:50:05 (EDT)

The suspense is killing me- and thank you for putting some new news on the home site. It is beautiful here in Southern Indiana and getting warmer each day- the redbuds and dogwoods will be out soon! And yes more people should write on here- some days go by and there is not any new postings-I like reading these if they are not too long. I have tried the chat thing on here and have not had much luck- does anybody do that on Sundays?
Rebecca Garges <RGarges1@aol.com>
Nashville, IN USA - Thursday, April 06, 2000 at 23:52:42 (EDT)

Hi Everyone, Glad to see Alx has posted an editorial. It keep us up to date on what is happening at headquarters. Alx, since you have notified the 50 winning photographers can you give us the names and maybe a description of some of the photographs ?? I'd like to hear how others feel about the cover photograph not being part of our collection !?! Is the cover cut in stone ??? or do we get a say in this ??? By the way, Alx, thanks for being honest about the cover. On another subject, for those interested, there are always lots of photography classes, seminars, and contest going on. Some of the larger labs give inexpensive seminars and there is a whole line of speakers at locals photography organizations for those interested in learning more. Try contacting your local photography clubs or PPA affiliates. Okay crew, lets hear from some of you. I'm going out into the yard, the spring flowers are blooming and fresh air smells sooooo good. Take care everyone.
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, , USA - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 09:46:26 (EDT)

Thanks, Alx, for the latest news. You have renewed my faith in the project. I am concerned about the photo chosen for the book's cover, and voted "Neither" in the hope that an alternative would be chosen. The fact that you and your staff are "not crazy about the Eiffel Tower image" either validates my opinion. While I can appreciate the Publisher's need to appeal to the broadest market possible, I feel that this particular image is the wrong choice to accomplish this goal. I'm sure you and your Team could find several alternatives within the submitted photo's that have the eye-catching consumer appeal the Publishers need yet are not instantly recognizable as being associated with any one country. *** Publishers Mint and Dan Diamond: With the incredible creative expertise of the assembled Team, not to mention the thousands of available photos, why not allow these experts to select some other cover options?
Jacqueline H. Diaz <culinique@fuse.net>
Cincinnati, Ohio - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 10:36:34 (EDT)

So Alx, by saying that the Eiffel Tower was an agency shot, are you telling us that out of 2000 images, the publisher thought that not one of them would sell well enough to put it on the cover? I appreciate that they are trying to make money, really I do. BUT, isn't that like sending someone else's photo in for a contest and claiming it as your own?
Amy Lewis Sides <amy@millenniumphoto.com>
Tuscaloosa, USA - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 14:17:58 (EDT)

In regards to the cover, the publishers put some feelers out with the main book buyers in North America and the response that came back was that the cover should have a single strong image which instantly conveyed what the book was about. The consensus was that the image which most people remembered from that night was the Eiffel Tower, more so than say Sydney, London or Times Square. We did have some entries of the Eiffel Tower that came in but none that were satisfactory to our publishers. SIPA sent in some pictures and agreed to abide by the same compensation scheme as everyone else.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 14:47:10 (EDT)

Alx, please explain who SIPA is.
PAT <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 15:49:48 (EDT)

Alx, I guess the big questions here is.... is the cover already cut in stone ????? Do we have a say in this or are we spinning our wheels ???
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 15:53:50 (EDT)

Ok, Iíll chime in here too. Iím not crazy about the cover either, the design or the fact that the picture is not ìone of oursî. However, I havenít sent any money in to help pay for this thing either. I have nothing on the line but a couple of slides. The publisher is the one that is putting cash on table and, hopefully, they have done this before and have an idea what will sell. Right now the object is to get published. Something that only a few of us connected with this have done before. Someday, if I publish my own book Iíll do it differently, but for now Iíll bow to those who have gone before me.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 17:02:13 (EDT)

SIPA is a stock/photo agency much like BLACK STAR, GAMMA LIAISON AGENCY INC., SYGMA, LIAISON INTERNATIONAL and GETTY IMAGES.
Jim Bryant <Phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Friday, April 07, 2000 at 17:24:16 (EDT)

I thougt you`ll tell me which of my three photos was selected, I'm very courius about that because I send three diferent styles because I don`t know you, neither the publisher and neither the judges; well, I can read about you and see the judge`s work but it`s different, I just don¥t know how much flexibility do you have, how much diversity do you alowd.
Francisca Schweitzer <fschweitzer@excite.com>
Santiago, Chile - Saturday, April 08, 2000 at 18:19:56 (EDT)

Hey! I know you guys in the project office are busy and I know you are in a different time zone, but what calendar are you using? I think you are about a week behind on you photos of the week. Or did we skip a week for some reason.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 08, 2000 at 20:55:47 (EDT)

Hi again to everyone. Just a few things to mention. First of all -- Welcome back Amy. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Second: Is this a joke about the cover photo being a "STOCK" photo? If this is the case, I should have paid someone to through the hell, the time, the costs of travelling, cost of the film and developement, to take my photos for me. This is TOTALLY ABSURD!!!! I must say that this is totally insulting to all the winners. Especially the person who took first place. Is his or her photo not good enough to put on the cover? This is shameful to take a photo from a person who was NOT an MPP photographer and put it ON THE COVER.. I think that ALL of the MPP staff, mainly the judges, should backtrack and re-think this over. Someone has seriously degraded the project and it sure wasn't the photographers.
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic,NY, USA - Saturday, April 08, 2000 at 22:47:52 (EDT)

I agree with Tom totally.I dont think the whole spirit of this event should be HAMPERED AT ANY POINT...& definately....not in this way. I guess all of us would like to have some feedback on this..
Reshma <reshmakamat@yahoo.com>
Goa, India - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 11:25:24 (EDT)

The Photo of the Week is now up, a little later than usual my apologies. In regards to your question Pat, as to whether we have a say in the matter on the cover, we DO of course have a say but we don't have the final decision. That rests with the publishers (and a cynic may argue the retailers). The cover as it stands is not 'set in stone' but the major retailers have been sold on the Eiffel Tower image. They practically demanded it. Believe me, I am working hard to find a more preferable solution. The suggestion I am currently making is that there be more than one version of the cover. One would have the Eiffel Tower image but two more, say, could be something different. DO make your feelings be known, but bear in mind that our publishers have been extremely accomodating. They got behind us when others decided our project was too 'off the wall'.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 15:30:28 (EDT)

I think the publishers should also take another look at what they are creating in regards to the potential backlash of the press when it comes time for the publicity aspect of the book. How are they going to justify a heartfelt, world grass roots project suddenly turning slick and unpersonal with stock photos? How do we? Making the decision to use stock photos completely destroys the crediblity and integrity of what was presented and promised to the world photographers who took 24 hours out of their lives to be a part of something really special and unique. This is sad. And, all this makes me wonder just how many stock photos are being used in the book?
Concerned
USA - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 16:06:30 (EDT)

Dump the stock photo. In the picture of the week I saw one of a famous clock (don't know the name) that would work just as well. Please do not destroy the work that we did by using stock photos. Also, this allows a hole in the wall for critism and ?'s about the true origin of all of the photos in the book.
Chris Vaughan <cobrakai@ammerman.net>
Wolfe City, Texas - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 16:29:41 (EDT)

Ok, not a success story. I got married on April 1. My wedding gift from my brother in law was all of the equipment from a Kis One Hour Photo Lab. I can (when I get the chemicals, paper) do all of my own processing. Talk about being happy.
Chris Vaughan <cobrakai@ammerman.net>
Wolfe City, Texas - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 16:46:16 (EDT)

I cannot believe that the staff would even consider using a photograph for the COVER which was not submitted for the project by a MPP participant. Throw it out !!!!!!!!!!!
Rob
- Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 22:23:03 (EDT)

Really, it's a little crazy to buy a photo to be the cover of the book of "our" project. I know things weren't perfect in it, but a good designer (not a publisher!) can find some solution for this problem. Chris gave a good sugestion: to take that photo of London Tower. But, by the way, I like the ideia of the cover be neutral, instead of have just one picture of only one photographer. What about to compose an image? Or create some kind of logo? Or just put letters in a nice way? I think that the character of a "non-profissional" vision on that moment must be detached. Would be better for the publishers buy every photos they want and print an "profissional" book? I think the readers don't agree. And me too.
Aguinaldo <guina@domain.com.br>
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 00:00:43 (EDT)

My whole take on the stock photo for the cover is to look at it in a different way. Yes its a stock photo, but it appears to me that it was taken in that same 24 hr period by a photographer. Isnt that the same qualifications that we all had when we were out on that shoot? This project was open to amateur and pros alike, with different lines of work. The guy that got the cover just happens to submit to stock photo agencies. The publishers are in the business of selling books, lets let them do thier job. Some may disagree, but personally it doesnt change the fact that I was out there on that night with all of you capturing a once in a life time event. And I had a great time. This doesnt change my feelings whatsoever.
Brent <bprice@iconnect.net>
IL, - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 04:07:18 (EDT)

Alx, was the photo of the Eiffel Tower taken during the 24 hour period (same as our photos)?? or is this just a stock photo that the publisher had on file ?? I agree maybe a collection of several photos may be a good idea. If they are looking for just one strong photo, does anyone have a problem with a designer using photoshop on our photos so the publisher was happy with one dynamic photo ? Let's hear from members of our crew. What do you think ??????
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 08:41:40 (EDT)

One more thing, Chris CONGRATULATIONS (on both)!!!!!
Pat <greatphoto>
Manchester, NH, USA - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 08:43:54 (EDT)

Pat,the Eiffel Tower photo most assuredly WAS taken during the 24 hour period, by a photographer who works for SIPA. In answer to the other question posed, there are NO photos going into the book other than those taken by project photographers. So right now, it's just the cover that is causing the concern.

Perhaps now is a good opportunity to delve into a bit of background.

When I launched this project I had no idea whether it would take off. I didn't know how many people would sign up and I really didn't know what the eventual quality of the submitted pictures would be like (or even if ANYONE would send anything in). To be honest, I tried not to think about it. When the publishers came on board in November (and committed real dollars), we were all forced to address the very question I had been avoiding - what if there weren't enough good pictures to make a decent book?

I naturally took a positive stance, "of course we'll have enough great photos!", my business partners on the other hand were somewhat more pragmatic. The only answer (and this was ultimately mandated in our agreement with the publishers) was that the solution of last resort would be to augment our photos, if needed, by 'buying in' agency photos in the same way as Newsweek, Time and any sane publisher of record.

To cut a long story short, conversations took place in December with Getty Images, Sygma and SIPA (three very large photo agencies). They were interested in our photos, we recognized the potential need for theirs. Of the three, only SIPA agreed that should we need their photos, they would be happy to agree to the same compensation scheme as everyone else. They also agreed to have their pictures go through the same judging process. Nothing was firmed up, however, since any arrangement was pointless until we knew how many photos had come in and what level of quality they were.

Fast forward to the middle of January and things were looking a bit scary. Only a trickle of entries had come in (this later thankfully turned to a veritable flood) and everyone involved was getting nervous. I contacted SIPA again and asked how their photographers had made out. They offered to put together a CD-ROM and send it over to us, ostensibly as their 'entry'. (For what it's worth, their CD contained about 100 pictures, of variable quality, primarily of Paris. SIPA is a french agency).

It turned out that people really are procrastinators by nature and by the middle of February, it was clear that we had sufficient photos to make a book. The judging took place and I left out the CD-ROM from the judging. I decided I had a moral problem with it and there was also a 'conflict of interest' concern. Sue Brisk, SIPA's New York Bureau Chief had come on board as one of the judges.

It was only later when our design firm were asking me for a selection of pictures (for the promotional presentation that was going to the book retailers), that the CD-ROM resurfaced. They (the designers in conjunction with the publishers) had in particular requested an Eiffel Tower image. Since it was purely a promotional presentation, I didn't really think twice about it. The retailers, however, fell in love with that image and that's how we've ended up here today.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 15:50:28 (EDT)

Guess your explanation sheds light on the book cover. I have no problem with it, just doesn't matter to me, never was a concern of mine in the first place. Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 18:26:08 (EDT)

Hi, I think it's not a book of marketing or publicitary photography, the cover must be like the others pictures. I am a private brasilian photographer who live in Paris. I stayed during 4 hours on the mud to take Eiffel's picures before 24h of december 31. I took a picture that look like (of cover picture) but less publicitary one, and I did not sent. Anyone like to see? I remember that before december 31 the governament of Paris did the essays of the party with Eiffel tour. It's easy to make a cosmetic picture if we have money and peopleb to work. Alx sorry but, pay attention to not be a HOSTAGE OF THE EDITOR !!! Luiz Achutti. ps: I have a very bad english langage hability, sorry.
Luiz Achutti <lachutti>
Paris, France - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 18:48:04 (EDT)

My correct e-mail adress . Achutti.
Luiz Achutti <lachutti@aol.com>
Paris, France - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 18:54:20 (EDT)

Alx, so as I understand it, SIPA was a part of our crew as a group. Therefore, their photos were submitted to be judged just like our photos. If the photo was taken in the 24 hour period, they were submtted as a group for judging then I guess it fits within the rules. Anyone else got questions, now is the time to ask.
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 21:15:33 (EDT)

Luiz, thanks for sending over those pictures. I've passed them on...
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Monday, April 10, 2000 at 23:34:42 (EDT)

Just my thoughts on the cover...Even if the photo does not fit under the "rules" so what. Look at how many of us had problems with getting our photos in on the DUE DATE. The "rules" where extented to compensate us. This was not a cover contest. Nobody said that 1 picture would be choosen for the cover, "One of mine should of been it!" haha As long as the rest of the book fits under the 24 hr.rule then "I'm OK, your OK". Alx had a choice of telling us or not, its nice to be included and know exactly whats going on.
Diane Sumner <dsumner@datawise.net>
Allegan, MI, USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 08:20:26 (EDT)

If the cover photo was entered under the same rules and was photographed within the 24 hour period, the photographer agreed to the same compensation then I rescind my "throw it out" reply. If all photos were judged equally, let's go with the best photo.
Robert A. Edsall
- Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 09:17:01 (EDT)

I like the cover- I bet more than just the photographer that shot the cover at one point or another works or worked for a stock agency- and congrats to them because sometimes it is hard to get your work noticed and good enough for stock. Well anyway I'm sure everyone was hoping it would be their great image on the cover- one person made it and the book will be fantastic- and the people that make it into the book will be happy- the web site should be getting alot of hits after the 31st. I think you should start thinking about adding more links- www.nikonusa.com is a excellent site and had their own millennium project contest and the results are on there- also they are having a great contest to show how you have promoted your photography business - new talent and those in the business more than 3 years. Maybe you could get them to link to our site Alx?! Yahoo has tons of great photo links- have you been investigating these possibilities of marketing the book and site? I hope so since that is how I found out about you! Rainy here today- I need to go spot tone some images, good thing to do on a rainy day! Becky
Rebecca Garges <RGarges1@aol.com>
Nashville, USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 09:39:22 (EDT)

Alx, you and the crew have enough credit among us. I don't know what delegation I have to say that but I'm sure I'm correct. I don't ever know if I'm in the book... I can imagine how hard had being all those negotiations. My opinion changed after knowing the crude reality. Now, I'm considering the SIPA photographer, compared with the participants, as somebody neutral! This relief me a lot. But, some of us advised about the risk for credibility for the project. There some problems on it, but, by the way, I agree on that cover is good on attractiviness. Have a lucky decision!
Aguinaldo <guina@domain.com,br>
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 10:06:27 (EDT)

I agree with Diane and anyone else who has voiced that Alx was not required to tell all he has. The staff's continued practice of keeping us informed and treating us as staff and associates rather than contestants has won my total loyalty. Anything in the future put out by this group will have my full support and participation!! Thanks Alx and team.
Sandra <FBTdra9@aol.com>
Seattle area, USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 17:10:03 (EDT)

Staff..... back on April 1st you told us that in about 10 days we might have an answer as to the final photos...... well its April 11th.... Are we any closer to knowing who made it in the book? I thought when this all started we were supposed to know this by the end of March... Rotting away in anticipation...... :) http://www.geocities.com/~lordofthenexus
Robin Hood <Robin_Hood_Az@yahoo.com>
Phoenix, USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 19:36:01 (EDT)

Here's a thought. In the United States, a magazine called TV Guide sometimes puts out the same edition, but with 4 different covers. What would be the feasibility of having more than one version of the cover published?
Amy Lewis Sides <amy@millenniumphoto.com>
Tuscaloosa, USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 22:31:43 (EDT)

Thanks Amy for your suggestion. We're actually looking into that very idea. :) In answer to the question from... Sherwood Forest!, I have just had a long conversation with the publishers regarding the issue you describe - namely when will we know exactly which photos are going in the book. The good news is that they already have a pretty good idea, the bad news is that they won't know the final list for quite some time. It turns out (and my apologies for not acurately forseeing this earlier) that no matter how well the publishers and editor choose their photos, as soon as it comes to the designer laying them out in the book, many photos will invevitably get switched, replaced or dropped altogether. This is common I'm told when you're trying to bring 500 pictures together cohesively in a book. I'm in two minds on all this. I realize how frustrating it must be waiting to find out, but I also recognize that advising people prematurely (and then having their hopes dashed) is probably even worse.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 23:31:58 (EDT)

Rebecca! Sorry I nearly left you out there... The idea of adding links again is very much in the works. I can't say exactly what we are planning to do just yet (it's secret secret hush hush), but we're working on an idea right now that I think everyone will really like. Stay tuned...
Alx Klive 2 <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 23:43:47 (EDT)

Go ahead and tell us prematurely...I don't think it would be worse. I would rather know that one of my images was on the "pretty good idea" publishers list than have to wait. Disapointment is part of life, I think being on this list and then dropped is better for self-esteme than being dropped and not knowing your image was being concidered for the book. Thanks for listening.
Diane <dsumner@datawise.net>
Allegan, USA - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 08:56:48 (EDT)

Hi Everyone, Alx, can you tell us about the 50 photos that were selected for the traveling exhibit ?? Thanks, Pat
Pat <greatphoto>
- Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 09:45:08 (EDT)

Alx and staff... After posting my feelings about the stock photo being the cover picture, I've read all the differences in opinions. I've gone back to read the entry rules and it DOES state that this photo is elegible. I would like now to send all of you my sincere appologies for my misconception of this. I do admit , the cover photo is GREAT. I wish I had taken it. I was just concerned about the elegibilty of it. So may appologies go to you and your staff. Alx, by the way, could you please check out my web site. I do publisize the MPP a lot. It is nearly complete now. Just some additions to do and some changes. It is ----- www.tdphoto.homestead.com
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic.NY, USA - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 10:49:25 (EDT)

Hello everyone, I have been reading the postings every day and it has been very interesting for me to read the discussion of the cover design, cover photo, and everyone's success stories. I was one of the few who voted for 'neither'. If I had to choose I would say that I prefer the first cover design; however, I think the design could be improved visually. I like the image size in design 1, but the lettering detracts from the visual impact of the image. The font style is easy to read, but it seems that a more artistic and interesting font could be used that would be equally legible. Since white needs to be used perhaps a white boarder around the photo will brighten the photo and bring out the white 'streaks' in the photo. In its present form the cover doesn't say "Buy me..Buy me! Inside my cover are fabulous images you MUST see!" (at least not to me)Did any of you have similar thoughts? I know there has been alot of talk about the cover and it seems like the tower will be 'the one', but have the design and cover material been decided upon? Lastly, what a nightmare for you Alx...everyone's opinions, criticism, dealing with publishers, etc! I can't say I would want your job. Anyway, I thought Diane's suggestion of letting us know regardless of the whether we make the 'final cut' was a good one. There would be a sense of accomplishment to know you were considered.
Shawna Manning <shawnaturtle@yahoo.com>
College Station, USA - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 12:36:01 (EDT)

About the cover, it's difficult to think on that picture as one shot like the others. The photographer had the agency support to take that (and a big agency!), In the other hand, the publishers certainly know much more about selling photo books than me, so... I don't know about your (Alx) relationship with the publishers, but I should agree with Luiz. And agree with Diane and Shawna. Let us know about the book. Nobody could claim if everybody knows that it's just the consideration to be on the book and not the final decision. Well, it was my birthday yesterday and I dreamed about a gift as an e-mail telling me that picture was in the book. As I see, if I can be chosen, I'll need to wait some more time... As Pat I would like to know about the 50 photos group. Thanks your attention to all these questions. Good luck and all the best to everybody.
Andre <amog@bioqmed.ufrj.br>
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 17:35:59 (EDT)

Shawna, it's not a nightmare... it's a pleasure! And a wonderful, humbling one at that. I've done some more thinking about the idea of notifying those on the book short list and I think maybe you and Diane are right. I had a quick chat with the head designer today and he tells me they have just finished doing all the B&W low-res position scans, for all the photos they are currently planning to use. I'm going to head over to the design company tomorrow and get a first-hand look at everything. I want to get a better feel for how many photos are likely to hit the floor once they start putting them into the layout... P.S. In answer to Pat's question regarding the 50 award winners, the plan is to post a complete list of all winners on the website by April 30th including, hopefully, written descriptions of the photos - at least for the award winners anyway. I'll file a report tomorrow evening once I've been over to the designers.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 17:45:55 (EDT)

Dear Alx, Now that the dust is settling down,how about converting the millenium project into something similiar to Sipa/Gamma with interests in news/assignment/feature/photo-essay options. We have a great team and I am sure we can work out an e-delivery system. Let us have a discussion on this please.
Anamitra Chakladar <achakladar@startvclub.com>
New Delhi, India - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 22:49:28 (EDT)

Hello photo friends! Had a meeting last Sunday with the 22 people that I vacationed with and everyone is very excited aabout the MPP. We all agree that it would be great for our vacation photo to make the book,(to say the least), but I thought it was great that everyone agreed that they would still want to purchase the book. They all think that it will make a great keepsake. This will be a great memory for all of us, thanks again.
Rik <rcass54576@aol.com>
erie, U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 23:29:36 (EDT)

Dear Alx, Feed the goats and still keep the cabbage!(A crude translation of a Hungarian folk saying) Can you put out the list of the people participating and which one of their photo(s) get selected for the 2000 "time capsule" . So everyone get something, and you still have the time and shuffling of the designer(s) for the book edition. (Honestly, I don't think that all three of my work were selected! And I would like to know which one or two I can use for a different entry at other opportunities. Can you help with this? In a previous E-mail I thanked you for "your-thank-less-job", but now reading the work and devotion you and the others put into this project, I would like to sign back to you and your team any royalties which may come to me. I feel you will not be properly reimbursed for your work.) So thanks, Attila
Attila <attila_the_magyar@yahoo.com>
mississauga, Canada - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 11:48:23 (EDT)

Anamitra, that's an excellent idea for a discussion. I'm not sure the dust has truly settled yet (!) but it's definitely something I'd like us all to talk about. It would need careful planning, some money for sure and a whole lot of commitment from those involved. We should be aware however that there is a lot planned for the summer in the way of publicising the book and that will hopefully include all of us. For that reason we should be careful of getting too distracted from the main task at hand. Having said that, I don't see why we can't start a different 'thread' for those interested in being involved in such an enterprise. Hmmmmm, you've got me thinking again! Gotta run to the designers though...!
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 12:23:21 (EDT)

ALX and all, I agree with Anamitra, we can start samething new, a new idea of agency. We are alredy arrived to year 2000, lets go to work. Best wishes. Luiz Achutti. ps: I did some pictures from Salgado's exibition in Paris, that begin 11 april. http://www.foto-riografia.com.br/sebastiaosalgado3.htm
Luiz Achutti <lachutti@aol.com>
Paris, France - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 19:04:06 (EDT)

Hi all, just got back from the designers where I was going through all the pictures that have been short listed for the book. There's 441 of them and Andrew who is the chief designer reckons that only a small percentage of them will end up having to be left out. For that reason and bowing to popular demand (!) I will work to notify all those people asap. Monday I'll head over there again and start making a list which will then have to be translated into an e-mail that can go out to all those involved. It may take a few days but we should be able to get it done by the end of next week.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 21:26:06 (EDT)

Luiz.. I had tried to go to your web site, but I couldn't get it. Is the URL correct? I am adding links to any MPP photographers web site on my site. Anyone else with a web site, if you post it, I will add a link to it.
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic, NY, USA - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 21:32:24 (EDT)

It is really sad to know that after the effort of so many photographers around the world, a stock photo have to be used for the cover. Look back to the cover of National Geographic, July 1989, when France celebrated its Bicentennial.
Marco Saborio <msaborio@habitat.co.cr>
San Jose, Costa Rica - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 23:32:44 (EDT)

Does anyone else find it odd that since the 50 winners have been notified already, there have been no postings from any one of them? I would think that if they had won they would at least be interested in what is happening on this site.
Michelle
Milton, Canada - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 00:21:19 (EDT)

All our people associated with our photo selected for the 2000 capsule are really excited, and we say thankyou to those involved in the judging. We watch our email everyday just in case we become even luckier to make the book. That would be great news for our City of Hastings. This whole project has been fantastic, and from here down at the bottom of the globe, we have loved being part of the team. Thanks to everyone, and good luck to all participants. Cheers. kevin watkins.
Kevin Watkins <kvwatkins@xtra.co.nz>
Hastings, New Zealand - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 04:28:14 (EDT)

Re: Marco`s post above... Are you saying that this cover photo was recycled from the Geographic shoot. If so, thats a serious breech of the rules. If not, you got some spailin` to do Lucy.
Paul Couvrette <paul@couvrette-photography.on.ca>
Ottawa, Canada - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 08:55:31 (EDT)

Tom: and anyone else interested, can check out a site I just posted: www.fitpro.ca/qehlions. I recently shot a local high school football team, as a personal project. To all those waitting for the book list,I wish good luck!
Jim Dikaios <jdikaios@yahoo.com>
Halifax, Canada - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 16:12:38 (EDT)

Jim... Nice images of the football team. You need to edit alittle more ruthlessly. I know......I'm my worse photo editor as well....But seriously......You have too many shots of coaches talking to players. Edit that down to one image...the best one. Get rid of photos # 7 and 15. They are too hard to read and distract from your overall project. What you really need to add are some action photos. Then the project will be complete. Otherwise...you have a very nice start on the project. I know...there must be better images in what you took that were overlooked somehow. You have to let your personal feeling go on some of the images and re-edit. Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 18:35:00 (EDT)

Jim, Nice prints of the football team. I like #19. Happy Shooting Pat
PAT <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 18:44:26 (EDT)

Tom......I don't what what it is about your site..but evertime I try to enter it.......my computer locks up. What program did you use to design it? You didn't use Quark or Page Maker probably that stupid program that comes with that stupid Microsoft notepad????????? IT keeps locking my computer up and I keep having to reboot. I really wish you people would learn HTML or Java Script. There's plenty of tutorial programs out on the web that will teach you..you know like "Dummy for Windows", if you are willing to learn, they are much better and you can actually control what you put out on the web...... Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@0z.net>
Port Orchard, WA. USA - Friday, April 14, 2000 at 23:29:18 (EDT)

Jim.. I'm surprised. You are the first person to have trouble with my site. To be honest with you, I'm using one of those programs that the server uses when you sign up for the "FREE" web sites. I have no idea what the are using. I got to it with both my computers, (IBM & Dell), without any problems. I certainly agree with you about learning HTML, and I have a few books on it, but I guess I'm too lazy..lol... Eventually I will have to start reading them. I do have a question for you. What program would you suggest for making web sites? There are a lot on the market and without any help or suggestions, what does a person with no experience have to look for? I have had many opinions on which program to use. From MS Word, MS FrontPage to others that cost over $1000. That's a bit over my budget Jim... Any suggestions?
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic,NY, USA - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 01:24:56 (EDT)

Jim Dikaios --- Being a BIG football fan, I will add a link to your page. I like the photos a lot. I'll have that link up for you in the afternoon... I'm kind of falling asleep now..lol... Thanks Jim... Tom
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic,NY, USA - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 01:38:29 (EDT)

Hey Tom....nothing wrong with your HTML, just checked out the source code, its all fine. Must be a stupid computer problem.
Brent <bprice@iconnect.net>
IL - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 02:20:05 (EDT)

Hi Tom, Your website really looks good. You've added a lot. Congratulation on going back to school. Pat
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
- Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 08:14:54 (EDT)

While we are on the subject of Web problems. In the last couple of days I have started getting scripting errors on both of my computers every time I enter this forum page. Did the MPP crew make any changes or are we exceeding the capacity of this page to facilitate our discussions?
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Fl., U.S.A. - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 09:26:34 (EDT)

Its nice to see people talking about their web sites. Jim I liked your football pics too. Like so many other people it is great to have been chosen for the time capsule and I am so glad that, we should know by the end of next week if we stand a good chance of being in the book .I published my web site only a month ago and I am having such poor hits.(Does any one realy know how to get in the top twenty of any of the serch engines?) Because I work in a Hospital in London I know that if I am lucky enough to be featured in the book I can get lots of publicity with the local paper and through the Hospitals news letter.I hated having to work on Millennium eve but I took some pictures of New Born Babies so I am keeping my fingers crossed and if they get published it would of been worth it.If any one wants to link to my web site let me know www.worldphotos.org Yours Paul.
Paul Gapper <gapper@lineone.net>
London, United Kingdom - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 10:02:11 (EDT)

John, thanks for pointing out the errors that you've been having with this page. There is a little bit of javascript on the page that displays the date at the top. (Javascript for anyone interested is a type of computer code that you can add to web pages to do slightly more complex things). I'd be very interested to know if anyone else has been having the same problem, and if so, what computer and what version of Netscape or Internet Explorer you are using. Cheers.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 16:29:25 (EDT)

Eureka! Found the problem. Should work fine now...
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 16:34:15 (EDT)

For those of you that want to use web page building software. Here's a few: Abode Pagemill, Microsoft Office, Adobe Page Maker, Adobe Front Page, Quark and there's plenty more out there. Abode Page Mill, costs about $100.00 and does a really decent job. For those of you who have Microsoft Office........there's a web bulding application there as well. I have both Netscape and IE on my machine. That way..I can view my web pages in both browsers and therefore make adjustments in notepad. It's really not that hard at all, just time consuming as hell to build a page in HTML and JAVA. There's plenty of web tutior programs that you can search and get free info. The real advantage of building a page with HTML or JAVA is that you have more control in the final page design. When you use one of the commerical web building programs, you're stuck with what you get. Cheers!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 18:44:11 (EDT)

Alex, Indeed, you seem to have fixed the problem. You guys are so sufficient, er....I mean efficient! Just kidding, you guys do a great job.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Fl., U.S.A. - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 21:36:42 (EDT)

I’d like to pass on a couple of sources I have found recently that are very useful. First is a web site and software called Exactly ! For photographers. It can be found at www.exactphoto.com. It is a freely distributed (if you register) software for running your photography business. They give you the software in hopes that you will use their services. One of the services they provide is equipment and film sales. The equipment prices seem to be fair but not the cheapest but the film is the cheapest I’ve seen and they include free next day shipping. I checked their prices after I had ordered my last batch of film, my next order will be with them. The next source is Photo District News and their Webzine pdnonline at www.pdnonline.com. I submitted a question to their “Pix” digital forum and received a personal response the same day. Unheard of with most online magazines. I hope this does someone some good out there.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Fl., U.S.A. - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 21:49:59 (EDT)

Hi all. Just a few short messages. Thanks Alx for fixing those errors. I was also getting it. Not anymore. Paul Gapper, Luiz & Jim Dikaios- lins to your sites are all up & running. Pat D.- Thank you for the compliments. Brent- Thanks for checking my HTML, cause I sure don't know how to do it..lol... And Jim Bryant - Thank you for the info on those programs. I will definately have to check one out. One more thing ---- I know a lot of you have web sites. Come on now. Put them up here... Nite all... Tom
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic,NY, USA - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 00:12:54 (EDT)

50 winners ? Like a betrayed husband, I feel like I was the last to know about the ''truth'': the great 50 final winners. A photographer I know wrote about his winning picture on discussion list which I also participate. he received the mail about 3 days ago. I think the editors should send a simple e mail with the winners names and picture locations. At least 2000 photographers are waiting for that information.
Andre Arruda <aa@centroin.com.br>
Rio de Janeiro, BRASIL - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 05:37:00 (EDT)

I just finished reading all the postings for the first time. Whew. Alx deserves kudos for getting Millennium Project this far. The amount of work, time and energy it's taken seems staggering. All of us have dreams, how many actually take the effort to make them a reality? Think about it, thousands of people, worldwide dedicated to capturing time in a bottle. Why, because one man had a dream. That said I'd like to add my ten cents worth. The day to day reality of actually selling a project such as this, while sometimes a pain, is something we'll all have to live with. I'm also a freelance illustrator and writer, so I've worked with a number of publishers. Over the years I've learned that what I submit and what's published, isn't always the same thing. The publishers and editors have their own idea of what they want. Good or bad, that idea's usually based on what "they" believe will sell. The issue about the cover photo smacks somewhat of sour grapes to me. I'll bet you there's more than a few stock photographers who submitted to Millennium Project, and we don't have a problem with them. Had this photographer submitted his image via the same channels as you and I, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. The fact that Alx even bothered telling us where the cover came from speaks volumes as to his integrity. This photo was taken within the same 24 hour period we all work with. So there's not really a big conflict here. Lastly we don't know if this photographer was on paid assignment, funded by oodles of money, or was just slugging it out like the rest of us. Should the truth be known, very few stock photographers are rolling in money and equipment. And most agencies purchase stock photos submitted by folks just like you and I. (Not from people sent out on assignment.) The bottom line is this. There are literally thousands of books out there waiting to be purchased. The key word here is "waiting". If they don't have a "hook", something that makes them stand out enough to get them noticed, they simply gather dust. The accepted Millennium cover looks visually interesting and different enough to get people to look. Which is what Millennium Project needs ... to be seen. Because if it isn't seen, it most certainly will never be purchased. I could be wrong, but that's sort of what we want to happen, isn't it?
Jeanne Barkemeijer de Wit <mentalimage@earthlink.net>
Anahiem, USA - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 12:58:53 (EDT)

Tom I like the idea you have of putting links on your web site from people that have pictures in the time capsule, but what about starting your own Web ring? I am a member of three Web rings and they seem to be a good idea because you attract people who have something in common .How about "The Millennium 2000 Web ring"?. The only problem is who would be the ringmaster? It would have to be someone who has a lot of experience in HTML and time to organise it. Just an idea. Paul.www.worldphotos.org
Paul Gapper <gapper@lineone.net>
London, United Kingdom - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 14:09:14 (EDT)

Paul......saw your pages..not bad! Get ahold of four books that might help you. One is "How To Shoot Stock Photos That Sell" by Michal Heron another is "The Traveling Photographer" by Ann and Carl Purcell,still another is "Travel Photography....a complete guide to how to shoot and sell" by Susan McCarthey and the last......"Travel Writing and Photography" by Ann and Carl Purcell. All these are great books that helped me take my travel photography one step further from shooting what a amateur might shoot to what actually sells in a stock agency. Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA. USA - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 22:20:08 (EDT)

Hi all. I just got back from a photo conference in Edmonton. I met Bill Allard a National Geographic photographer and Pat & Baiba Morrow!!! It was an excellent learning experience to hear these great photographers speak. The main reason I went up there was to make more contacts. I operate my own business called Through My Eyes Productions. I do photojournalism (and a bit of everything else). My biggest project this year will be a medical trek to Nepal. Has anybody in this club been there? I would appreciate any advice! Does anyone operate their own business? I will have my web page up soon using flash! In the mean time please checkout my photo club at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/throughmyeyes
Vincent Joachim <throughmyeyes@yahoo.com>
Calgary, Canada - Monday, April 17, 2000 at 14:30:22 (EDT)

Hey all, Just thought I'd put up the address for some images I have with a stock photo service I use out of Austraila. http://www.ozimages.com.au/portfolio.asp?MemberID=242 Just something to gander at. Dante
Dante Staciokas <pahilndr@bellsouth.net>
Orlando,Fl, USA - Monday, April 17, 2000 at 20:49:09 (EDT)

Caption Traction Klive here...
Crikes some of you have bad handwriting! But I digress.... (I can't believe all those entry rules and nothing about entries being typewritten!) I digress again... Kudos to Mr Tom of Mastic, NY for his efforts to keep track of all the individual websites we're all building. If you haven't thought about making your own website yet, have we got something for you!! Lips sealed for now I'm afraid but you may want to start tinkering in preparation for our upcoming 'special project' in a month or two... Back to the Caption Grind... Keywords - glasses beer revelry vomit glasses beer revelry
Alx 'Caption Traction' Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Monday, April 17, 2000 at 23:23:48 (EDT)

i've been following the "photo of the week" section. but is it still there now?..cuz i couldn't find a link to that page...
kyle <nomels@hotmail.com>
k.l, malaysia - Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 01:12:53 (EDT)

"Caption Traction Klive".... I like it..lol.....Just a few notes... Vincect Joachim - I will add a link to you club on my site,but please let me know when you have your site set up so I could change it. Your link is to a club. Eventually I will set up a page for clubs links... Dante Staciokas... Your link will be in today. You have a great site, as many here do.... Joan Lauren - I've e-mail you for your permission to add a link to your site. Never got a return.Please let me know... DARN>>> I'm having more fun with links than photos....lol.... NEED MORE..... Everyone have a GREAT DAY, Tom
Tom D. <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic,NY, USA - Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 11:50:57 (EDT)

Ok well I guess I will throw my site out there again, but before you look...I know I have amateur spelled wrong but I like it that way, I explain that a little more on the site. http://www.iconnect.net/home/bprice It will eventually be moved to amaturephoto.com when I find the time and money. Working on a few of my other domains at the moment so it could take some time. Brent
Brent <bprice@iconnect.net>
IL, USA - Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 13:04:28 (EDT)

Tom: Yes you did email me. Of course you can link to my site. www.joanlauren.com Thanks for asking. :-)))
Joan Lauren <joanlauren@joanlauren.com>
Los Angeles, USA - Tuesday, April 18, 2000 at 14:31:34 (EDT)

HI ALL, Finally got around to putting my images together. A few pages are better than none. Its my 1st time with photos on the wed. kinda fun. Take a look. www.datawise.net/~dsumner bye. keeping my finger crossed!
Diane Sumner <dsumner@datawise.net>
Allegan, USA - Wednesday, April 19, 2000 at 21:24:59 (EDT)

Don't put bye....just www.datawise.net/~dsumner
Diane <dsumner@datawise.net>
Allegan, USA - Wednesday, April 19, 2000 at 21:27:20 (EDT)

Diane... I have added a link to your site on mine. I really like your shot with the kids. It's funny that they all have the same initials. I tried doing that with mine also. My initials are TAD.. The kids are - TAD(Jr), CJD, and TAD again.. Don't know what happenned with the CJD..lol... Best of luck with your site..... Tom
Tom Donadio <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic, NY, USA - Wednesday, April 19, 2000 at 23:25:08 (EDT)

By the way Diane-- I left out "BYE" in the link...lol... Just another message to all with web sites. I will be going away for a week and I'm not sure I'll have access to a computer. But you can still post you web site URL, and as soon as I get back, I will list it... See you all in about 8 days.. Tom
Tom D <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic, NY, USA - Wednesday, April 19, 2000 at 23:30:33 (EDT)

In reply to Sara's query of April 1 regarding pinhole photography, I produced some years ago a documentary on the photographer Ilan Wolff who works all the time with the 'camera obscura' and his work is just amazing. Have a look at www.chez.com/obscura
Keith Nolan <keith@pancom.ie>
Dublin, Ireland. - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 11:47:20 (EDT)

"A man who became lost in a Florida swamp during a trip to photograph alligators was rescued by police after taping himself high up in a tree to ensure the reptiles didn't attack him while he slept." --REUTERS-- So remember never leave home without duct tape!! On a serious note, duct tape is very useful in the field and has 101 uses when you are in the middle of nowhere! From taping your camera to a tree or taking ticks out of your skin (That advice was from a National Geographic photographer who was covered in ticks and used duct tape to rip them out.....ouch!!)
Vince <throughmyeyes>
Calgary, Canada - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 17:30:43 (EDT)

Vince, nice one! My best duct tape story is holding the engine of a VW buggy together after the fan casing completely disintegrated. It was a particularly long trek around Spain. Any other good ones!
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 17:59:53 (EDT)

I haven't had a computer for awhile (I had a computer monitor fire that took the computer etc & half the office\spare room with it, no one hurt and negatives saved, lots of stress getting it sorted out and dealing with the insurance company though :-( ) and have haphazardly checked email from a friends computer (had to see if my photos had been picked) this is the first chance I have had to have a read and to catch up. I enjoyed the cover debate, and duct tape story. I was so thrilled to have one of my photo's picked in the top 2000, that I emailed a copy of the email to friends\family (and rang the ones that don't have computers) I am on pins and needles waiting to see if I made it into the book, I had presumed that I hadn't made it when I hadn't heard anything by the end of march, then reading the above discussions, I had hope again, now as I get to the last of the discussions I'm not sure if the people who are shortlisted for the book have been notifide yet ??? please put me (and others I'm sure ) out of our misery and let us know... I admit that I will be disapointed if I'm not one of them (especialy after the start to the year I've had) but it was still great to be part of the MPP and to be picked for the time capsual web site. I would love to do something like that again. please keep listing web sites, I am slowly try to have a look at them all. TTFN :-)
Debbie Kowalewycz <billdebbie@iprimus.com.au>
Townsville, Australia - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 00:23:23 (EDT)

there seems to be alot of yug critisim thrown at the organiser (s) of this competition. how come they are doing something for fun .. for amateurs yet alot of the amateurs are acting like they are blinking professionals.. ! who cares about front covers or about the organisation of the project get out there and take some shots thats what i say !!!!! and thanks to the millennium project i think everything is marvellous woof woof
suzi <suzir@paradise.net.nz>
wellington , new zealand - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 06:27:19 (EDT)

Hey everyone out there..For once someone's right. Don't owrry about if you did or didn't make the selction..there's other photos and projects to work on. Remember this.....you're only remembered by the last photo you shot. I've shot over 335 rolls since the project. Quit resting on pass laurels and go shoot shome pretty pictures. Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, Wa., USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 11:51:01 (EDT)

PROJECT UPDATE: The book nominees have not yet been notified. Just the award winners and the time capsule winners. We are working very hard to finalize the book nominee list. We are close to completing it but have some cross checking to do this weekend and one last run through all the photos. Thank you for your continued patience.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:43:20 (EDT)

Pierre...............What in the world happened to you Pierre? Come on speak to us!!!!!!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 22:15:05 (EDT)

Did you think that this could be the first chance to an amateur to have a picture published? The first time taking part of something like this project? Being alowed to give its own opinion about a photo book cover? Maybe that's why amateurs are acting as "blinking professionals".It's not everybody that have the possibility to shoot 335 rolls of film in three months, maybe because some people like photography but don't make money with it. But they (including myself)like photography and certainly will be shooting around everytime they can. I listened once that sometimes the difference between a professional and an amateur is the size of the trash can.I'm not including myself now (too little experience), but there are really good amateurs out there, and their opinion should be respected (or at least the excitement). I think it's a mistake to use the word amateur as "not so good photographer". Well, I don't want to be rude or a new Pierre... so finish here. All the best.
Andre <amog@bioqmed.ufrj.br>
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 02:08:45 (EDT)

I can't develop and print my own photo's yet, with two small children and a house to pay off, money is tight,as it is for most of us. So having to pay for film & developing, even at a the cheeper rate I am given, 335 rolls of film is about $4000 for me (nearly 4 house payments )my husband would divorce me if I spent that sort of money every 3 months. :-) I don't think we have all been sitting around waiting for the results,we have been out taking other photo's (not 335 rolls worth though). But it is a big deal for most of us, I know it is for me, as it's the first time I've done anything like this and if I'm published it will be the first. Can't the old hands at this remember what it felt like the first time they were published, the excitement, befor it all became so ho hum ??? TTFN Debbie
Debbie Kowalewycz <billdebbie@primus.com.au>
Townsville, Australia - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 06:00:53 (EDT)

In the company where I work there is a saying that “Email is a dangerous thing.” It’s mostly because the spirit in which things are said can be so easily misunderstood. When I read Jim’s posting about getting on with things and go take pictures, I understood it as just that. Life goes on so go live it. What will come will come and sitting on pins and needles won’t change that. I did not feel that Jim was putting down amateurs. I’m one of the amateurs just like most of you and I didn’t feel offended. I order my film in 20 roll bricks and I don’t come close to 335 rolls in three months. I don’t think I shot that many all last year.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 08:41:19 (EDT)

Hey, hey, hey............I had to shake the cobwebs from my brain on that one. I don't remember calling anyone Amateurs or was that something read in between the lines of my email or misunderstood in translation. I too have a house mortage payments, three kids ages 6 to 13 and all their horseback riding lesson, soccer, football, track and football, two cars, a wife I'm sending to college to finish her degree, credit card payments, camera repair expenses. So you want to know what the insurance company charges to insure about 40,000 dollars worth of cameras, lenses, filters, and lighting equipment a year? By the way.......I get my film out of Abbey Camera in Phipidephia. Get it in bulk. Various speeds. Fuji Color Press 200 is $3.17 a roll, Fuji Color Press 400 is $3.22 and Fiji Color 800 is $4.95. So I actually didn't spend $4,000 for 300 plus rolls. Just have to know where to shop around. When I shot a job I normally charge a client about a 25 percent markup on each roll. I just get the film processed for $2.50 a roll....no prints made.....I just edit the film and print or scan only those that are needed. Got to keep the costs down you know......... Think I shoot with those new Canon or Nikon all digital, all automatic autofocus cameras. Hell no........I using old brass fully mechanical Canon F-1's that was purchased in the middle 70's. I do however have more modern gear.....I think they were the T-90's that I got in 89'. My lenses are at least 17 years old and if I went out to purchase the new stuff..my wife would probably shoot me in the face too. We buy our kids clothes at Goodwill...get great stuff there for huge savings. Hell...I even buy my clothes there......... Yes....I use alot of film as I don't limit my picture taking on certain things. When out on assignment normally the film is the cheapest thing. I just now got my income tax back......so instead of buying film or fixing broken cameras or upgrading..maybe I get a new mircowave as our last one broke a year ago. We also need a new stove....the temperature control unit went out just shortly after the microwave broke so should I get a replacement unit or purchase a new stove/oven? You think being a professional is glamorous and exciting!!! Think again...I'd loved to do this just for a hobby and get the big bucks for doing something else. It's really tough out there, jobs are scares and just too many photographers who are willing to work cheap just to get a start or their foot in theh door. I can still remember when I got $5.00 for my first published photo. If someone was going to pay me to take photos...then I found my calling in life. No...I'm not knocking anybody down for being amatuers......but rather pisses me off for those of you who keep bugging Alx on whether or not your photo made it into the book. Hey....I've delt with editors, publishers, graphic arts people, art directors and let me tell you........when you get that many creative, weirdos in a group........they really bicker among one another over the silliest things....such photo placement, page layouts and editing process. So............wait and be surprised! If my photo doesn't make it into the book.....hey, it's not the end of the world. I had a front cover of TIME that was yanked at the last moment because something more newsworthy happened later on in the week before the magazine went to press. That's life!!!!! Enough said.........I've gotto work today...yet another six day a week for me. What are you guys doing on this beautiful Easter Weekend? I'll take off tomorrow to help hide eggs for my six year old to hunt. I think this is the first Easter Day in two years I didn't have to work. Let me tell you...being a professional isn't so glamorous at times.When I'm not shooting I'm writing cutlines for filed neg, scanning images into my data base until at least 1 am evey evening. And to the answer to your question concering trash cans........I have one 32 gallon container. But.....I never throw my film away. Never know what a stock agency might want. Sometimes.....it can be the damnest request. Cheers......Seriously folks....lighten up. Let me tell you this is not a business you want to go into. If so..better do some reseach first and have lots of money squirrled away for the lean times and believe me.........I get tired of eatting soups and bread. Happy Easter to everyone!!!!!!!! Got to make this discussion lists interesting. Got to take my daughter to horseback riding lessons........and then get to work. Bye!!!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 11:26:55 (EDT)

Hi Everyone, Wow Jim don't sugar-coat it for them. You're right being a photographer is not all glamour. But I love it. I photograph babies and weddings. What better celebrations of life than that!!!! Some people say I'm crazy. I agree. My motto: 'Life's a journey - capture every moment.' Hey, I'm putting that on my shirts. Anyway, I want to wish everyone a nice Easter holiday. Talk later. Pat
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 11:55:22 (EDT)

I think someone should check the date on this weeks photo of the week. Photographers can to some great things, but photographing the future?
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 12:19:28 (EDT)

John.......thanks for your support concerning my posting. it's nice to know someone understood what I was trying to say. As for the photo of the week..it's a nice one.But makes me wonder when it was shot. Then again....anyyone can say anthing about every photo submitted. Pierre doubted the dates of just about everyones photo but his. As Bill Murry said in the movie "Meatballs." "It just doesn't matter!" "It just doesn't matter!" "It just doesn't matter!" Now, everyone else out please join in too.."It just doesn't matter!" You know...I really enjoy this discussion board!!!!! It gives me a way to vent, complain and rejoice. I wish more of you out there would tell us alittle bit about your hopes, dreams and goals out of life too. Happy Easter!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 13:31:54 (EDT)

DUCT Tape...yes....over 101 uses and more. While on assignment with the Smithsonion in Panama. Some fool tried to rob us using a machet. Acoupe of the scientists tackled him and held him down while I used my duct tape to bind together his arms and legs together. Before we left....we put his hog tied body near an ant pile.. I sure hope his partners found him in time. We never found out for sure..but you can always find a use for it. I once used my kids in a magazine article illlustration, "Traveling with kids". I pictured all three of them tied together with a big rope and their mouths duct taped. You should have read some of the letters to the editor we received. I was pictured as a child abuser.....told one lady to mind her own business...they were my kids and if I wanted to do that to them I would. Guess she didn't see their smiling eyes in the photograph. It was so funny even though their mouths were taped....their eyes were sparkling. Another photo...I had my youngest son zipped up in a big travel suitcase with wheels and only his head was sticking out of the top by the handle. The last photo had them bungy corded to the rooftop of my 1984 Chevy Custom Cruiser station wagon. Now.....that was a fun assignment!!!!! We all had a blast with that one! Well...now I really have to get to work..........bye....Jim
Jim Bryant <Phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 13:52:50 (EDT)

sorry if the description amateurs upset you. what i meant was it is not what you get paid full time to do in life not that your photos are any less good. i am an amateur. i just wanted to say that it is a good idea to keep snapping the shots ...that's all ..instead of perhaps complaining about rules of the comp..it was only a suggestion.. i just think they have done a great job and it is a shame they have had so much critisism. sorry for causing a photographic stir.
suzi <suzir@paradise.net.nz>
- Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 17:30:22 (EDT)

Jim Bryant - Please please stop with your postings. I don't wish to be offensive but you behaive in a very self centered way. I have been reading these message for a while and I remember when you posted your entire resume for everyone to read. You give advice to people when they don't ask for it, you are patronizing and you are the least modest person I have seen. Please try to be a little bit more modest and stop taking over the board, please?
Helena
- Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 18:12:31 (EDT)

Hey Helena..........want some cheese to go along with your whine? There's very few of us thatposts anything helpful to others on a regular basis. Alot that do snizzle about not getting contacted on whether or not they got into the book. I talk about scanners, photo management programs, where to buy cheap film. No...I'm not self centered....I'm helpful....you're just jealous! What have you contributed helpful lately? Cheers......
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port ORchard, WA. USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 18:37:55 (EDT)

All right boys and girls, let’s play nice. Helena, Jim boasts a bit but if I had his resume I would too. He also whines about how tough it can be to work as a professional photographer. The fact that he complains about his job from time to time means he is human. But I take it on faith that he has the ability to do something else for a living if he really didn’t like what he’s doing. I too would rather read the postings of successes and helpful hints, Jim and others have provided those as well. We have to take it all together. And don’t anyone misunderstand, it can’t all be positive or we’d all get sick reading all the candy. There are down sides to everything and we need to hear about and consider those as well as the good. I’ll step down and turn over the soapbox to someone else now.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 19:45:37 (EDT)

I don't wish to get into a slanging match, I was just trying to make a point.
Helena
- Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 21:15:53 (EDT)

Hey Jim, you miss read my 1st posting, one I wasn't bugging Alx I was asking anyone who reads this if they had gotten notified yet.......two there's a difference between being on pins and needles and sitting on them ... *LOL* I didn't neccesarily mean it as a bad thing, it's not as if my life is put on hold while I'm waiting. And please, please don't let Jim's posting start a "you think you have it bad, well listen to this..." war *LOL* I don't think I could stand the cockaroach stories or the walking through the blizzard to milk the cow with only a sack for clothing stories *LOL* Anyway on to other things, everytime I read (in magazines etc) that "film is the cheapest thing" I want to cry, because maybe it is in the USA ,but it's not in Australia, (I have shopped around ) by the roll you pay between $4 - $15 depending on type, for bulk bricks your still looking at between $3-$12 a roll. I only get my film developed and not printed too, and it costs me $6 a roll. ( and it's so easy to burn film, I was asked to take photos at my daughters Martial Arts Centre, while they were doing Belt Tests, in no time at all I hade used 7 rolls of film, costing me $85+, I sold a heap of photos though, so that helped ;-) So if there is anyone reading this discussion board from OZ and knows where I can get film cheaper please please please tell me where. I have tried some of the cheap mail order labs for developing and the quality is very poor, so I prefer to use a good local one and pay more ( I also like to get them in a day or two, too, not a week or three *LOL* ) Theres a new thread for this forum, "Tip's for saving $$$" Also I would love to see those photo's you mentioned Jim , the traveling with kids ones , they sound like fun. ( my kids and friends kids are always getting roped (no pun intended *S* into being models\props too ) I hope everyone has a Happy Easter......except of coarse the people who don't celebrate Easter *S* TTFN Debbie PS; No part of this email is intended to offend or insult or inflame anyone *L* but you are allowed to smile or even laugh if you wish.
Debbie Kowalewycz <billdebbie@primus.com.au>
Townsville, Australia - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 21:27:54 (EDT)

Hey everybody...no offense taken......I've been slammed before....."It just doesn't matter!" Debbie..I have been down under to the Navy Base at Sydney while in the Navy back in 78. I Needed some film, chemicals and paper and had to go pub crawling with your photomates in order to get some. Yes, just about everything imported there is taxed to the max. You can email if you want and I can give you an address in New York that will send you film and processing mailers. Even after paying import duties it still might be cheaper.I'll get the photos scanned and emailed to you next week sometime if you like. Just email me at OZ.net and let me know. Happy Easter everyone!!!!!
Jim Bryant <Phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 21:39:39 (EDT)

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Vincent <Joachim>
Calgary, Canada - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 23:43:53 (EDT)

Hi everybody..... Of course it was not my intention to ofend anybody, and neither to say that to be a professional is easy. My point was about that thing of amateurs acting as "blinking professionals". The trash can story was a figurative language to say that what really matters is the quality of your work and not the amount of film you need to do this. I was not saying that you throw your films away, but certainly you don't use 100% of your shots, right Jim? As you said you were trying to help people here, and what I can say is that I need this kind of help because as I said before I consider myself as a begginer. And think I helped here making some people think (and write) about how they feel taking part of this project as professionals or amateurs as well. If my picture will be on the book... yes It doesn't matter.... but we saw that we have something in common here: all of us love photography. Happy Easter to everybody!!!! Andre.
Andre <amog@bioqmed.ufrj.br>
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 01:49:03 (EDT)

Well... Let me talk about me... I'm 25 years old and I'm a Phd student on Biological Chemistry here in Brazil. I make research and believe me, research is not the interest of the government right now, so you can imagine the problems I have with my "job". I came into photography during the college, but at that time I was just an enthusiast that would like to take good shots from parties and trips. My first camera was a Zenit 12XL,that me and my brother bought together. During the college I gone to work in a research laborotory (the same where I am now) doing research on virus-cell interactions, developing new microscopy technics. Then I began to use High sensibility digital photography. But at the lab we use a mathematical aproach to take scientific inforamtion from the micrographs and photography is a tool. I'm author and co-author in some scientific papers published on good journals and (I hope) there are more to come out. Well, during this time my interest became biger and biger , then I decided to learn more about photography and use it as a way to get out of the work and have fun. Of course I falled in love with it and got new camera and some equipments. I'm photographing with this "new vision" by more or less two years. That's why I say have little experience and need all help I can get. And that's why I'm so excited with the millenniumphoto project. I hope not to annoy you with this sitory..... Let's go back on the discussion: When is the list coming? NO!! Just kiding, Just kiding, Please......... Happy Easter! All the best, Andre.
Andre
Brasil - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 02:51:41 (EDT)

Hey! They fixed the date on this weeks photo of the week. Someone is paying attention!
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 11:51:40 (EDT)

You know Andre and John are right. Since this is a discussion group for photographers of various skill levels we could all contribute to the further educational development of everyone. What I propose is that everyone can join in and start posting helpful hints and experiences. The subjects could range from lenses, film, people photography, sunsets, night and low light level photography, travel photography, nature and wildlife photography, using graphic patterns in your photography, shooting in good and bad weather, action photography, using filters, gadgetmania, adding drama and punch to your travel photography, capturing scenery on the road, capturing the essence of a city, capturing waterside magic, Available light: how to shoot without a flash, and How to capture the event. Since this is a photographic forum for photographers let's all start educating ourselves to take better pictures. What does everyone else think????? Happy Easter!!!!!!!! Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 14:17:57 (EDT)

Gee, a discussion about photography! OK, I’m in. Jim gave quite a list of possibilities. My personal preference for a starting subject would be travel photography. I get to travel a bit for work and it tends to get old after awhile. Most of the time all I get to do is eat, attend meetings and drink. I tend to do too much of all three. I recently purchased a Lowepro Stealth backpack so I can carry my laptop for work and my camera and a few lenses for fun. Now I’d like to concentrate on bringing back some worthwhile photos. Most of my business travel is in the eastern third of the U.S. with some trips to Texas. I do have an upcoming trip to San Juan, Puerto Rico later this summer.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 17:30:28 (EDT)

Stepping aside in photography....to ALL photogs and MPP Staff, Happy Easter!!!
Wayne <nikonf4s@juno.com>
Hon, HI - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 18:17:12 (EDT)

IF one objects........I'll post a top ten tips piece on picture-making advice gleaned from two decade of assignments. This will range from planning and serendipity, to photographing strangers, outdoor photography, shooting in bad weather to what equipment to take. It's will in condense form from what I've given at various workshops. Or the topics can be explained further at a later date. Whatever your needs require. But this will be just a start. You'll be able to do a click and drag and copy on the information, then go to your own MicroSoft or whatever word program you're using and open new document and past the stuff there. That way you can keep these postings in a seperate document file for future referece. I hope to have something posted by May 3rd. Cheers, Jim
Jim Bryant <Phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 11:00:52 (EDT)

I think it is nice that some people like to give lots of advice but I think since everyone on this site has a computer and is connected to the web? - that you can go to any link on the search engines like yahoo and find any topic that you wish on photography- any that you are interested in yourself, and at your own pace and length. Look at web sites by pros and by not so pros. Also I too think that was a bit much to display a resume on this board, and no I am not jealous- of the most impressive people I have ever met they do not let others know how accomplished they are, very modest. It is a very appealing trait.
Rebecca <RGarges1@aol.com>
Nashville, USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 22:35:32 (EDT)

Last time I checked there were over 500,000 topics on photography. Now if you have the time and want to search the web for each individual subject go ahead and see what you'll learn. It's not a matter of how much I know or how much I need or even want to impress you. The point is I'm trying to start an education program to benefit photographers at any level . I (hopefully) won't be the only photographer to post articles. I'm not a master wedding, portrait or commerical photographer, I don't claim to know it all. There are times I have to set up lights to get a shot or do a food, fashion or product illustration. I'd like to know more about posing techniques, advertising photography, food photography, Galmor or even Boudoir photography. This foto forum should teach a photographer something that they don't already know or maybe someone else besides me could teach you something new as well.But if you want to keep reading postings concering whinning about not being notified as a MPP 2000 capsule winner or selected into the book, that's fine with me. But as a professional, whether it makes any difference or not to you out there, getting selected into the book is not a great concern of mine, I either do or don't. If you get chosen and not me...that's fine....it's not the end of my world. But since the discussion lists was started to bring us together as photographers, now it's now time to carry this lists one step forward and use this site as a learning tool. Frankly, my dears.......I don't know or even care if you're a professional, amateur or have a photographic resume. I'm not trying to be arrogant (heavens that's not in my nature) or even insulting so there's no need for you to feel intimidated or jealous that I'm able to barely make living at a job I love. It just happens that I posses a full time job doing a full time hobby. Hey, and I get paid for taking pictures. Would you feel that way if you were attending a photographic workshop and having to pay for tips and advice that not only I, but others in this discussion group were willing to post for free? Do you think I want to waste my time on those few of you who only chim up once to throw barbs and are unwilling to learn at the espense of those in this group that might want further their photographic process? Well........Rebecca and Helena let your fingers do the clicking on the 500,000 photographic subjects on the web. If you knew me personally......you would know that I'm not the arrogant type. I might come across that way at times, but it's my love and desire to excell and take photography serious is what separates the want to bees, from the gonna bees and has beens. So do you want to learn, are going to learn or already know it all? I don't proclaim to know everything and frankly as the photographic process changes daily with technical advances, I'm always in a state of evolving. I don't want to sound condescending, but either get in the group or out. If you stay you'll learn something whether it's taught by me, John, Andre, Alx or who ever. We all could probably learn something from you as a photographer. So throw away your fears, jealously or whatever hang ups you have acquired and open your mind. I don't know what else to say except "I'm gonna learn with or without ya!"
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 00:13:26 (EDT)

I have to agree with Jim. We have a very special group of photographers here with a wide array of experience. Let's learn from each other. It may be helpfull if those who post information title each piece. That way, if someone is not interested they can skip over the article and read something else. I am a portrait photographer. I would be glad to give some simple instructions on lighting or posing for those that are interested. PEOPLE THIS IS FREE - WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE ? Jim, you're on ! What's your subject ?
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
Manchester, NH, United States of America - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 09:01:15 (EDT)

Alright.....we got at least three photographers out there that are interested in learning. Sorry if I can across a bit harsh to some....but I don't sugar coat anything. Besides having to deal with a 13-year-old boy and a nine-year-old girl who going through hormonal changes has gotten me edgy to say the least. I'll do the first topis.......Top ten Tips for Travel Photography ranging from planning, landscapes, photographing strangers, finding the unusal, to natural light photography....things I have experienced first hand, learned on my own and from other travel photographers (see I acutally learned something from someone.....it's possible you know!)I promish I won't tell any stories or repost my resume........"just the facts, ma'am!"
JIm Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 09:42:18 (EDT)

Greetings, everyone...April is almost over...I'm getting anxious to see if my photo is included in the book. I bet you all feel the same....=P Regards, Agung
Agung Tandjung <agungt@hotmail.com>
W. Lafayette, IN, USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 10:11:13 (EDT)

Calling all portrait photographers out there...what is a good film to use for outside portraits? How about for portraits inside a gym with flourescent lighting? Do you use a soft focus filter every time? How about a warming filter such as an 81A ( for outside in the shade). Also in shooting children for baseball sports photos ( team groups and individual) do you have a company that you recommend? I use Group Photography Association out of Washington and I sometimes have to send back photos to get the quality I want.. (too light .. forgot logo... etc. a real hassle !!!)Also any advice on wrangling large groups of children for photos on photo day would be greatly appreciated .
Dianne Humble <countrydreams@execu.net>
Middleton, Idaho, u.s.a. - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 10:36:36 (EDT)

I think it is wonderful that photographers want to use this site to learn from and teach each other about photography. I do, however, feel that Jim Bryant has been given an elevated, even "Special" status amongst the members of the forum. I am not entirely blaming Jim for this dynamic. It seems people think he is "special" becuase of all the success that he has had thus far in his career. Not to knock jim, but often the photos that do well commercially are not the best images, but rather, safe, to the point and unemotional. I work at the Magnum Photo agency in New York and see thousands of images every day. For me, the pictures that have impact are ones that are original. By this I mean, new, interesting, subjects, though-provoking compositions and relationships between subjects and a certain "honesty" or integrety that the photo eminates. My point is, to take good photos, you do not have to be accomplished as a professional, all you need is the love for photography, the desire to create meaningful images that illustrate the work around us. Often, getting too caught up in the technical aspects of the medium can take one away from what is truly important about photography. You don't need fancy cameras, exceptional studio lighting or an MFA to take exceptional photos. To me the most important thing is to search out good images. For instance, the story done by a Millenium photographer about football was wonderful! He found a way of seeing the football team that was unique and for that reason interesting and impressing on its viewers. Although I don't know the precise equiptment that was used, to do that story, all he really needed was one 35mm camera, one lens and some film. Anyway, I guess my main point, which has become lost here, is that ANYONE with a camera can produce great images and the images the he/she produces are just as valid and important as any professional. Actually most stock photography I see is void of any emotion or honestly; it is too formulaic. All the photographers on this site are important and I hate to see the pattern forming which puts Jim in the position of chief officer, or the last word on photography. As for the book cover, if I can go bakc to that subject, it is not original. Even if it had been taken by one of our photographers, it looks like any other book you have ever seen. There is nothing new about the picture. Now if there were are picture of a homeless man on the cover, with a words saying, How the world celebrated the millenium." that would be an intreging cover. I would definitely want to know more. Cheers, Amani Willett
Amani Willett <amani@magnumphotos.com>
New York, USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 11:14:54 (EDT)

Amani...well put! I'm only a photographer.....hope nobody puts me in a loftly position or even chief photographer. I just think we can do something more useful with this site that to wonder if one was published or not. This site is for everyone......how about you as a magnum rep post something about stock agencies.
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 11:58:43 (EDT)

Ok, here’s my two cents worth. While I agree with Amani that it is possible for anyone to take pictures that are moving and provocative, the technical aspects can’t be completely ignored. I have a friend that doesn’t know an f/stop from a bus stop, but she has an eye for composition that constantly has me saying, “I wish I’d taken that shot.” But her photos are still lacking in that they are not always crisp, the depth of field maybe should have been more or less, or there is slight lens flair across someone’s face. A little attention to technical detail could turn good images into great ones. And, unless I misunderstood, Jim isn’t talking about just the technical stuff, but also the stuff of good composition and timing. What is it they say, “f/8 and be there”? And like Pat said, “It’s free, what have you got to lose?” If you read the interviews in magazines with photographers they all talk about how they learned by studying the work of other photographers and talking to them. For my part I’m up to my neck in the digital darkroom side of things so I’ll be glad to help anyone out there that I can. Although, I’m still going through the discovery stage with some of the software.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 12:22:27 (EDT)

I really enjoyed your posting it was to the point. It seems that I do get the last word in....seems like lately I've been trying to defend myself for trying to advance this forum into something educational and benefical to photographers of every level. I don't claim to be a great successsful photographer.I just happen to have over about 30 years experience as a travel photographer/photojournalist. I am however, a chief photographer, I'm presently working as chief photographer for Sound Publishing here in Western Washington. It's a newspaper group with 17 papers stretching from San Juan Islands to Tacoma that dedicated to covering news content in community style journalism. I work out of a twice weekly, The Port Orchard Independent, where we cover day to day, community events, which as you know can be as ordinary as you can get. Maybe I'm approaching this discussion group in the wrong direction. Since it was started for people who are photographers from around the world, what better way can one learn, from one another through experiences gained? Do you have any thoughts on this? I'd rather read about helpful tips than the constant inquiries of making it into the book. Please don't think I'm trying to elect myself as the group discussion leader..that belongs to Alx, I just trying to get those out there involved in a learning and teaching process. Thanks, Jim
Jim Bryant <phojo@oz.net>
Port Orchard, WA., USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 12:37:44 (EDT)

Dianne, You have several great questions. First the best film for outside would depend on what you are photographing but usually I use 100 speed film or 160 Portra by Kodak. Some photographers prefer Fuji or agfa. I've used Ektapress film for flourescent lighting. Maybe someone else that does sports can also suggest a film. As far as soft focus is concerned, I use it for some portraits (it helps to soften facial features) or when I am trying for a romantic shot. Used with Black & White it will soften the 'edge.' I do use it with some childrens portraits if we are doing something whimsical. If you are shooting sports you probably don't need it. As far a wrangling a large group of kids together. I try to get someone (in authority) to help. Pose the oldest and quietest children first leaving the young ones and squirmmers to the very end. Make sure you are all set up and so that you just need to get their attention and take the photo. I tell the children while I'm setting up that we will take more than one shot so they don't jump out of the pose when you're trying to take your second shot. Usually your first shot is the best. As far a warming filters are concerned. Try using them in different situations. They can give you some neat results. If you are looking for more "pop" in your portraits (taken in the shade) use a flash on 'low' or use a white board in front of your subject to bounce the light back into their faces. Hope this has helped.
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
- Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 15:00:02 (EDT)

Phew! Quite a discussion. Here's my two and a half cents. First of all, I'm glad this discussion board has taken on a life of its own. It will take time for it to find its legs, for an etiquette to form, for it to find its rhythm. Jim has a strong personality. He also appears to have a lot of time on his hands ;-) I'm concerned that we have a lot of postings from a small group of people and again, that there aren't enough postings from our friends in other countries. We have a LOT of interesting people in our group, believe me. From students to top professional photographers, from agency heads to national newspaper photo editors. And hundreds of people we haven't heard from. Strong voices can sometimes overpower more timid voices and I'm hoping we can all 'police ourselves' to avoid this as much as possible. Let's remember that it can be quite intimidating to post a message for all the world to see. Especially if the room is a little noisy at times.
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 15:11:49 (EDT)

Alx!!!! You’re ALIVE!!!! We’ve not heard from you in so long I had feared the worst. Tell us man, have you news of the war? How goes it on the front lines? Have many lives been lost? And what the hell is happening with the book? I prey thee, put these poor souls out of their misery.
John Rupe <jrupe2@tampabay.rr.com>
Tampa, Florida, U.S.A. - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 16:05:41 (EDT)

John, your battle analogy is uncannily accurate. Still trying to sort out issues with the cover. We should be all set to publish our list of winners and book nominees by April 30th as promised (which is ...gulp.. this weekend). All fun and games! We may even get an e-mail off before then...
Alx Klive <alx@millenniumphoto.com>
Project HQ, Toronto - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 18:13:03 (EDT)

Hi all. I hope everyone's Easter was a happy one. I just returned from camping for a week. Only 2 nice days. The rest were rain and cold. But it was good. I had to catch up on all the postings here and there sure were a lot. I must say that between Jim, Pat, Amani, John, and others, I'm in for some learning. There are some VERY experienced photographers here that all of us amateurs could learn a lot from. SO LET THE TEACHINGS BEGIN...
Tom <KC2ABP@aol.com>
Mastic, NY, USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 00:14:17 (EDT)

I agree with Amani that you don't need the best & most expensive equipment to take good photos, just a good eye. I also agree with John though because if you know your camera well and have a good knowledge of the basic technical stuff then you can take great photos. When I brought a new camera recently (after years with my old faithfull)I spent ages going over all the new controls where they were, how to use them etc so that I new it inside and out so that I didn't have to think about it when I was taking pictures. I have helped some beginners, and that is the first thing I tell them to do, if you don't know your camera you could miss that once in a lifetime photo. (the first tip from me) I think no matter how long we have been doing something we can always learn something new,and help others learn. so count me in for the "photographic help line". ..........Ok my first question; I do alot of portraits too, most of them are available light but I am finding that very limiting latey so I have been experimenting with flash, here is my problem; is there any way I can use flash guns off camera with a slave\sync cell, and not use my on camera flash to set them off.( I can't take my flash off camera yet as it will cost me about $500 for cables and adapters) or if I have to use the on camera flash to set it off how do I make it that it doesn't spoil my lighting. or should I just spend the money and buy the cables etc or studio lights ???? helpfull advice very welcome. Thanks .......Debbie Looking forward to your tips on travel Photography etc Jim.
Debbie Kowalewycz <billdebbie@iprimus.com>
Townsville, Australia - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 10:12:32 (EDT)

Debbie, There are several things you can do to get correct lighting. But first I need to know what type of camera, what is your on-camera flash, do you have a sync cord and what flash do you have for the sync. Does your flash let you adjust the amount of flash and is it TTL ? Do you have a manual with your camera and do you have a manual with your flash? You can e-mail me directly if you wish. I'll try to help you. Pat
Pat <greatimpressionsphoto@mediaone.net>
- Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 11:27:25 (EDT)

Hi Guys, I hope everyone's holiday was full of picture taking. I just wanted to say hello. I havent been on the message board in a while. The suspense is killing me...
Andrea Richburg <photoatoz@bigfoot.com>
Philadelphia, USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 12:10:46 (EDT)